tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post3918879575615823823..comments2024-03-11T01:39:11.362-04:00Comments on At the Scene of the Crime: All Aboard the Cliché Train!!!Patrickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-77240298771439891162013-03-08T07:17:12.751-05:002013-03-08T07:17:12.751-05:00Well, North Korea is slowly making its own evil-vi...Well, North Korea is slowly making its own evil-villain reputation, so maybe the Russians will drop out sooner or later... After all, the recent remake of RED DAWN literally substitutes North Korea for Russia.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-18342670507270730602013-03-07T18:58:58.766-05:002013-03-07T18:58:58.766-05:00Great blog - I came across it through a Facebook s...Great blog - I came across it through a Facebook share and am glad I did. I read a lot of (and write) thrillers and would like to add to the compendium of predictability. Inevitably, when it comes to the many thrillers with a political edge, the evil doers are inevitably those with an Arabic surname or of the Muslim faith. Never mind that the region consists of numerous countries whose people have vast ranges in beliefs, languages and relgious affliation, or that people with Arabic surnames may be from cultural minorities that have nothing to do with Islam (some are Christians for example), - they're all bad with no saving graces. As a variation on this theme, the next most predicatable enemy of the day are the evil Russians. It gets so tiring. D. J. McIntoshclanchathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04004284000568689587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-65340694145544567732013-03-07T14:59:12.511-05:002013-03-07T14:59:12.511-05:00It's those "nice" ones, you really h...It's those "nice" ones, you really have to watch out for!The Passing Tramphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09830680639601570152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-4016072515575914962013-03-07T06:43:48.878-05:002013-03-07T06:43:48.878-05:00I wouldn't call those the "wrong" bo...I wouldn't call those the "wrong" books in that case! ;)Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-44302849984241455652013-03-06T20:43:22.922-05:002013-03-06T20:43:22.922-05:00I clearly am reading the wrong books as I am not s...I clearly am reading the wrong books as I am not seeing these issues at all in the books that I read. Kevin R. Tipplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04170714419133752724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-26848963904063397162013-03-06T19:07:35.064-05:002013-03-06T19:07:35.064-05:00That's another annoying one, though it tends t...That's another annoying one, though it tends to crop up more in noir than anything else.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-37672692862888272792013-03-06T14:59:59.252-05:002013-03-06T14:59:59.252-05:00I hear ya. I don't tend to see the gay stereo...I hear ya. I don't tend to see the gay stereotypes as much in the books I read, but the religion is always evil one gets me. And in the book I just finished, all men were evil. Which meant I correctly spotted the killer because he was the only nice man we'd met so far. Until he turned out to be the killer, or course.Mark Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567392254011373198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-64055613988538524392013-03-04T16:20:18.374-05:002013-03-04T16:20:18.374-05:00Thanks very much for your comment. It means a lot ...Thanks very much for your comment. It means a lot to me -- part of my hope for this site is that people use it as a reference tool, where they can look up reviews that, whatever their faults, will at least be honest.<br /><br />During my recent read of BOOKS TO DIE FOR, Marcia Muller chose one of Hanson's Brandstetter novels for her contribution. While my feelings on the book as a whole are very mixed, Muller's piece was excellent and got me to hop over to the Kindle store stat to purchase the book in question. Unfortunately, Mount To-Be-Read has prevented me from getting to it just yet...Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-55219294439555567462013-03-04T12:28:42.442-05:002013-03-04T12:28:42.442-05:00Given that in the past gays in popular fiction
we...Given that in the past gays in popular fiction <br />were almost always portrayed as either moral <br />degenerates or pathetic misfits, the current <br />vogue to depict them as Victims Of Society <br />can perhaps be partially excused as an <br />overzealous effort to correct a historical <br />imbalance.<br /><br />If you would like to read a mystery series <br />in which gays are portrayed as believable <br />human beings rather than walking cliches <br />I commend to your attention the Dave <br />Brandstetter novels, featuring a gay <br />LA-based PI,and penned by the late <br />Joseph Hanson.<br /><br />Allow me to take this opportunity to express <br />my appreciation for your site; as a reader <br />I'm a relative newcomer to the mystery genre <br />and I've found your reviews to be a invaluable <br />guide to what is worth (and not worth)reading. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06503046957179233903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-8063758670908539982013-03-04T06:51:20.735-05:002013-03-04T06:51:20.735-05:00See, that attitude in particular pisses me off. &q...See, that attitude in particular pisses me off. "The only reason so-and-so is remembered is because he was a MAN!" How about no? How about the women authors you're trying to pass off as accomplished, important contributors to the genre delivered hackneyed stuff that wasn't particularly inventive or imaginative (and therefore by modern standards is part of its brilliant approach)? How about if men like Poe had the imagination to come up with something new and telling it in a fascinating way? How about if men like Conan Doyle, Freeman, Crofts, Rhode, Carr, etc. had the plotting ability to add their own twists to the genre? But then I'll offend some psychotic umbrella-wielding fem-libber (who has inexplicably begun to lisp in my imagination). This is why I avoid reading gender into my mysteries at all costs. I don't give a damn if my author was male or female so long as they could write a *mystery*, dammit!Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-21837492810614144542013-03-04T06:46:36.539-05:002013-03-04T06:46:36.539-05:00We've had book after book on noir/hardboiled. ...We've had book after book on noir/hardboiled. You'd think they'd analyzed everything after a while, but apparently not. So why do we only get one book on Christie's plotting? I say there's so much to learn about it, especially after the publication of John Curran's two books analyzing Christie's notebooks. (The library has refused to purchase it, but I should be grateful: they got two biographies of the ever-lovable Patricia Highsmith.)<br /><br />Yeah, I had a prof who liked to read older books and point out how the author has a character express viewpoint X only to be shown the error of his ways and how the [silly little] author is telling you about orthodoxy's wise ways. All this was being lectured at us in a sneering, half-patronizing way. It made me want to open a modern book and point out examples to the reverse. However, I like passing my classes, so I didn't succumb to temptation.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-46569301097790436552013-03-04T06:40:13.002-05:002013-03-04T06:40:13.002-05:00I think she would have done the laughing, though, ...I think she would have done the laughing, though, maybe even at the execution.<br /><br />One of the things that amused me about political correctness gone wild is in the audiobook of Arthur Upfield's THE DEVIL'S STEPS. The detective, Bony, is Aboriginal, and some of the suspects in the book insult him because of this. It is meant to be a disgusting, ignorant attitude. But apparently nobody realized it, because the book starts with an apology for the racist attitudes within the book and a reminder that it was written back in a time when racism was socially acceptable.<br /><br />I don't really like naming specific books because that'd mean I'm spoiling the twist, at least for the gay-killer twist. I don't like spoiling endings for anyone.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-60698789740041910722013-03-04T06:33:18.363-05:002013-03-04T06:33:18.363-05:00John, it seems that every time I'm ready to fo...John, it seems that every time I'm ready to forget "that book", another book comes along and reminds me of it. This rant was largely inspired by the Marple adaptation of THE BODY IN THE LIBRARY which changed the killers to lesbians and played some sad violins while they kissed to tell us that they did it all for love. I don't care, they still committed a pair of horrific crimes. As if that weren't enough, along comes author Blah and writes a novel wheere, you guessed it, a character has a backstory about Pedo Priest and Evil Nun teaming up to try and abuse/rape him! Hooray! I tried laughing it off but just couldn't do it.<br /><br />John, I haven't read that particular book and I'm not all that tempted based on your plot description. The kind of book that I've described is *still* being written, surprisingly enough, and there was a particularly high-profile example of it in 2011. I don't understand why some authors still think that revealing the killer is gay still makes for a shocking twist ending. It just isn't. It's as overused as the twist ending of BEAST IN VIEW. I admire BIV for creating the twist in the first place, and for its characterization and smooth plot. But every time people have used the ending, it was like smashing a teapot, glueing it together, and smashing it all over again. It's more glue than teapot now, and nobody can use this particular teapot for their tea.<br /><br />I'm sure if I came across a novel with such a plot twist from 1936, I'd be impressed with the author for tackling it in the first place, and would base my judgment of the novel as a whole on other factors. But it's gotten old. It's more boredom for me than being offended -- you gotta have *some* sort of stock characters here and there. Basically, I'm just tired of seeing this twist. Retire it for the next twenty or thirty years, and then use it only sparingly (if at all). Let's try something new with the genre instead of sticking to these twists.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-72150704446696974322013-03-04T06:30:13.482-05:002013-03-04T06:30:13.482-05:00I really enjoyed your piece - I haven't come a...I really enjoyed your piece - I haven't come across everything you mention, but certainly agree about the historical fiction with the kindly, right-thinking protagonists - as you say, totally out of place. And I would LOVE to read another book on Christie plots: I regularly consult the Barnard book. I also enjoyed a kind of fetschrift that either Keating or Symons edited for a big birthday of hers (maybe called Agatha Christie, Queen of Crime) - some of the chapters of that dealt with her plotting in an interesting way. <br /><br />Also - from the point of view of the reader solving the crime, I often read books and think 'surely this can't be this obvious? There's right-thinking characters and people who hold the wrong views - please let it not be the bad person who did the crime.' I would love to be surprised, but find I am not always....Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-42766368243169979702013-03-04T02:22:24.134-05:002013-03-04T02:22:24.134-05:00I'm thinking Sister Luna wouldn't have bee...I'm thinking Sister Luna wouldn't have been laughed at - she'd have been beheaded or something - if she was even allowed to sit at a table with the priest in the first place. But I get your point about historical fiction adopting loads of modern day morals and beliefs. The thing is I think it would be deathly bloody dull if it didn't - and certainly a poor commercial decision on the part of any author given that so many crime fiction readers are women and women have generally been treated pretty shabbily in real history - so a lot of us probably wouldn't want to read historical fiction in which we appear only to be raped and/or pillaged. <br /><br />I'm struggling to think of any examples of your "the killer is gay" gripe but that might just be because my memory is bad or I've read different books. I certainly can think of examples of the kind of broader political correctness gone mad that you're talking about - here in Australia it manifests itself as not being allowed to include Aboriginal people as anything other than all-wise people who embrace all humanity and are NEVER the killer and if they are briefly a suspect it's only to prove that someone white is a dirty rotten racist. Like you I'd hardly want to return to the bad old days of rampant and real racism in our literature but surely we can be mature enough to acknowledge that people in minorities come in all personality types, some of which aren't particularly nice.Bernadettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641617609801125707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-15155127514135719222013-03-04T01:23:58.537-05:002013-03-04T01:23:58.537-05:00Man, what book triggered this rant? And seriously...Man, what book triggered this rant? And seriously... Louise Penny and that book? AGAIN? I'm about ready to open a Kickstarter account to get you a good therapist and a year's supply of Xanax. Or I could just give the money to you to go on relaxing vacation. ;^)<br /><br />I have to say I'm gay and these kinds of books have never bothered me as much as they do you. Ignorance posing as expertise is what bothers me. Like David Duncan's nonsensical discussion about transvestites and gay men in THE SHADE OF TIME, a book I loathe as much as you do all the types of books described above. It was written in 1946 but there was no excuse for what he passed off as fact. Pandering to stereotypes (which do exist, BTW) in a negative way only reveals more about the author than anything else. I just close the book, shake my head, and move on.J F Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06473487417479127354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-68036671523182585372013-03-04T01:05:49.947-05:002013-03-04T01:05:49.947-05:00Gender scholars have fully embraced Victorian sens...Gender scholars have fully embraced Victorian sensation fiction in a way that earlier historians of the genre had not. Writing from the Golden Age of DETECTIVE FICTION onward, this latter group tended to be interested in the origins of detective fiction as a unique genre. <br /><br />Hence the emphasis, I believe, on Poe, Gaboriau, Collins' The Moonstone (seen as a genuine detective novel), Anna Katharine Green and Arthur Conan Doyle. <br /><br />Braddon's sensation fiction involving crime wasn't really emphasized, but nor was that of, say, Benjamin Farjeon (yes, a man--and note how he's one of the few Victorian sensation writers NOT being revived today--anyone care to guess why?). <br /><br />Most sensation fiction wasn't held in that high repute for a long time (even Collins' reputation had to be restored to an extent). Green was criticized for soppy melodrama and overly ornate language, though her plots were sometimes praised. <br /><br />So I don't think it's fair to stamp all the historians and critics of those times with the scarlet letters "gender bias." I do think it's true, however, that some critics have tended to disparage domestic mystery fiction. <br /><br />Look at the way Julian Symons wrote about Mary Roberts Rinehart, for example. On the other hand, at the time a great many male critics praised Rinehart's work. Today we know about Ogden Nash's HIBK taunt at Rinehart and tend to assume that male critics were always hostile to her, but that's not true. In my book on criem writer Todd Downing's 1930s mystery criticism (Clues and Corpses), for example, I show how Downing was a great fan of not only Christie and Sayers, but also Rinehart and Eberhart and other women writers. He also was aware of women's Gothic fiction from earlier in time. Later in the 1940s and 1950s he read such women writers as Dorothy B. Hughes and Margaret Millar.<br /><br />Anyway, this is all something of a tangent to what Patrick was writing about, though I do think it ties in with Patrick's point about how so many modern academic studies either focus on the hard-boiled men using the classical detective novel as scapegoat or on non-hard-boiled women exclusively (apparently assuming non-hard-boiled men did not exist). As Jon L. Breen says, there are a great many worthy forgotten crime writers--of both sexes.The Passing Tramphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09830680639601570152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-84340514495942531662013-03-03T20:42:40.977-05:002013-03-03T20:42:40.977-05:00One of the things I enjoyed about writing my Maste...One of the things I enjoyed about writing my Masters of the "Humdrum" Mystery, was writing about Freeman Wills Crofts as a religious writer. This was so obvious to me reading his work that I was amazed no one had ever picked up on it before that I had seen, outside of Erik Routley.<br /><br />I always used to get a kick reading in English mysteries from the Golden Age that a character suffered from "religious enthusiasm"--a sure sign of madness! Enthusiasm about anything was frowned upon, but religion, especially. Of course this gets into the old conflict between the religious establishment and the evangelicals. Crofts was an Anglican, but rather an evangelical one.<br /><br />Here's a quotation from that Kate Watson book that makes me want to tear out my hair:<br /><br />"Arthur Conan Doyle has long been considered the greatest writer of crime fiction, and the gender bias of the genre has foregrounded William Godwin, Edgar Allan Poe, Wilkie Collins, Emile Gaboriau and Fergus Hume. But earlier and significant contributions were being made by women in Britain, the United States and Australia between 1860 and 1880, a period that was central to the development of the genre. This work focuses on women writers of this genre and these years, including Catherine Crowe, Caroline Clive, Elizabeth Cleghorn Gaskell, Mary Elizabeth Braddon, Mrs. Henry (Ellen) Wood, Harriet Prescott Spofford, Louisa May Alcott, Metta Victoria Fuller Victor, Anna Katharine Green, Celeste de Chabrillan, "Oline Keese" (Caroline Woolmer Leakey), Eliza Winstanley, Ellen Davitt, and Mary Helena Fortune--innovators who set a high standard for women writers to follow."<br /><br />Is it "gender bias" that foregrounded Poe and Wilkie Collins, or their unique genius (and Collins reputation underwent a major revival in the 1920s and 1930s)? Did the fact that Hume's Mystery of a Hansom Cab was a huge international bestseller have anything to do with his foregrounding (almost no one ever talked about his other books)? And Anna Katharine Green has always been recognized in genre histories. Unlike a large number of the other women listed above, she wrote true detective novels.<br /><br />Nowadays genre historians tend to ignore the contributions of men in the Golden age who didn't write hard-boiled. Should I suggest that gender bias accounts for this?<br /><br />Interestingly Dorothy L. Sayers played a big role in the Collins revival and she also wrote rather dismissively of M. E. Braddon and Mrs. Henry Wood. Was the formidable (and feminist) Sayers projecting male gender bias here?The Passing Tramphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09830680639601570152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-778136738790907672013-03-03T20:42:11.346-05:002013-03-03T20:42:11.346-05:00I've been trying to make a video out of that, ...I've been trying to make a video out of that, but I think I'll give up and just do a text recap. What happened was that I decided I needed to do some reshoots... but one accident caused by my youngest cousin later, and the wall of my room looks completely different. That would require reshooting the whole thing, and I just don't have the heart to do it.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844617192737950378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-499247432649483938.post-34650342297020575322013-03-03T20:34:13.956-05:002013-03-03T20:34:13.956-05:00I'm inclined to agree Patrick. We need to look...I'm inclined to agree Patrick. We need to look no further than some of the abysmal Agatha Christie adaptations to find instances where her fine source material was changed for the purposes of a so-called twist. But that is an entirely different can of worms I'm afraid. Which reminds me: if you ever get around to it, will you ever treat us to how the recent Poirot adaptation of "Appointment with Death" is actually a remake of "The Mummy"?Nick Cardillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941093024318184603noreply@blogger.com